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		<title>By: #wnpNYU Thursday Post: Leadership in Networks &#124; The Wired Nonprofit Class 2013</title>
		<link>http://technosociology.org/?p=747&#038;cpage=1#comment-5518</link>
		<dc:creator>#wnpNYU Thursday Post: Leadership in Networks &#124; The Wired Nonprofit Class 2013</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Feb 2013 22:38:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] and discussed a holistic, integrated approach to using social media for nonprofits and causes. This post by media sociologist Zeynep Tufekci responds to a David Carr column in the Times and does a good job of taking on that concept of [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] and discussed a holistic, integrated approach to using social media for nonprofits and causes. This post by media sociologist Zeynep Tufekci responds to a David Carr column in the Times and does a good job of taking on that concept of [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Cyborgology - Augmented reality AR archive.</title>
		<link>http://technosociology.org/?p=747&#038;cpage=1#comment-2905</link>
		<dc:creator>Cyborgology - Augmented reality AR archive.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Sep 2012 09:13:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] “Breaking Bread, Breaking Digital Dualism” by Zeynep Tufekci (on her own blog) [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Lev Manovich on &#8220;The Poetics of Augmented Space&#8221; &#171; PJ Rey&#039;s Sociology Blog Feed</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lev Manovich on &#8220;The Poetics of Augmented Space&#8221; &#171; PJ Rey&#039;s Sociology Blog Feed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Sep 2012 17:41:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] &#8220;Breaking Bread, Breaking Digital Dualism&#8221; by Zeynep Tufekci (on her own blog) [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Before Week 2 &#171; CT231</title>
		<link>http://technosociology.org/?p=747&#038;cpage=1#comment-2823</link>
		<dc:creator>Before Week 2 &#171; CT231</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Sep 2012 23:12:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] for IT professionals &#8212; to be aware of and proactive about our digital identities? The article Breaking Bread, Breaking Digital Dualism by Zeynep Tufekci (@techsoc) poses some interesting questions about our digital and real life [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] for IT professionals &#8212; to be aware of and proactive about our digital identities? The article Breaking Bread, Breaking Digital Dualism by Zeynep Tufekci (@techsoc) poses some interesting questions about our digital and real life [...]</p>
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		<title>By: 140Journos: Somewhere between objective news and media activism lies Turkey’s hope for media freedom and pluralism &#171; You are what you read</title>
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		<dc:creator>140Journos: Somewhere between objective news and media activism lies Turkey’s hope for media freedom and pluralism &#171; You are what you read</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jul 2012 15:01:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] those challenges. On Social Media Day (June 30), 140journos organized an event that showed how digital dualism is an antiquated concept: They invited people to come together around Galata Tower, which was also [...]</description>
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		<title>By: The Interoperability of Digital Activism &#124; Meta-Activism Project</title>
		<link>http://technosociology.org/?p=747&#038;cpage=1#comment-2436</link>
		<dc:creator>The Interoperability of Digital Activism &#124; Meta-Activism Project</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jun 2012 00:58:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] can think of online space and offline space (the world of bits and the world of atoms, in Zeynep Tufekci&#8217;s terms) as two complex systems that should work together but sometimes do [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] can think of online space and offline space (the world of bits and the world of atoms, in Zeynep Tufekci&#8217;s terms) as two complex systems that should work together but sometimes do [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Olvidar el olvido</title>
		<link>http://technosociology.org/?p=747&#038;cpage=1#comment-1803</link>
		<dc:creator>Olvidar el olvido</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Feb 2012 20:13:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] infranqueable entre el mundo online y el offline, recientemente la technosocióloga Zeynep Tufekci en su blog hace una analogía entre los bits y los átomos para ilustrarlo. El mundo es uno, cuando [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] infranqueable entre el mundo online y el offline, recientemente la technosocióloga Zeynep Tufekci en su blog hace una analogía entre los bits y los átomos para ilustrarlo. El mundo es uno, cuando [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Jillian C. York &#187; On Clay Shirky&#8217;s Bread and Digital Dualism</title>
		<link>http://technosociology.org/?p=747&#038;cpage=1#comment-1779</link>
		<dc:creator>Jillian C. York &#187; On Clay Shirky&#8217;s Bread and Digital Dualism</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Feb 2012 05:59:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] elsewhere and caused me to reflect a little on the idea of what Zeynep Tufekci calls &#8220;digital dualism&#8221; &#8211; the idea that online and offline worlds are somehow separate entities, one [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] elsewhere and caused me to reflect a little on the idea of what Zeynep Tufekci calls &#8220;digital dualism&#8221; &#8211; the idea that online and offline worlds are somehow separate entities, one [...]</p>
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		<title>By: This Week in Review: Facebook’s future and the open web, and finding balance on breaking news &#171; World Media Trend</title>
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		<dc:creator>This Week in Review: Facebook’s future and the open web, and finding balance on breaking news &#171; World Media Trend</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Feb 2012 23:27:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] — Finally, for those of us among the digitally hyper-connected, The New York Times’ David Carr wrote a poignant piece on the enduring value of in-person connections, and sociologist Zeynep Tufekci offered a thoughtful response. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Jeremy Antley</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeremy Antley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Feb 2012 18:13:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, very nice post.  I agree that there are moments when personal relations are preferred, others when the less tangible web methods of communication work better.  

However, there is one part of your analysis I would like to address- when you state, &quot;Bits are easy to copy while preserving their full organization, atoms are not...&quot; and, &quot;... that offline speech disappears after it is uttered; that, offline, we can usually see who is looking at us; offline walls, doors, locks and windows operate in a predictable manner,&quot; I&#039;m not sure that tells the full story.

As regards the first statement, I would add that while Bits are increasingly easy to copy, this ease of copying should not be confused or equated with &#039;preserving their full organization&#039;.  Federico Giordano, and others engaged in digital preservation of old or antiquated digital technologies, worried in his essay, &#039;Almost the Same Game&#039;, that there is a real danger of losing the integrity of a digital artifact, the experience its use once contained, once we move its bits of data to another platform for which it was not originally designed.  If I load up an emulation of the NES classic &#039;Super Mario Brothers&#039; on my MacBook, am I experiencing the &#039;full organization&#039; supposedly preserved with digital copying?  Many would say no, and this example demonstrates that there is much volatility even in digital constructs.

On the second statement about how the offline is governed by the laws of physics, making offline speech &#039;disappears after it is uttered&#039;- I&#039;m not sure this is accurate either.  Take the Great Fear of 1789 in France, for example.  That period&#039;s well documented panics and fear-mongering was directly tied to rumors circulating among French villages.  Rumors, once uttered, take on a life of their own, and much to the chagrin of ruling authorities these &#039;willful interpretations&#039; (as Russian Imperial authorities took to calling Peasant use of rumor) do not fade away easily.  (They may also lay dormant, like a virus or seed, waiting for the perfect moment to rise up and grow again)  Because of this, one can never be sure how others are perceiving them.  Perhaps inanimate objects can be relied upon to operate in a predictable manner, but the social discourse of analog speech is far from predictable in its operation.  (This is something I try to address in my post looking at the debate surrounding the use of the term &#039;cyberspace&#039; http://www.peasantmuse.com/2012/02/between-reality-cyberspace.html)

Again, great post!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, very nice post.  I agree that there are moments when personal relations are preferred, others when the less tangible web methods of communication work better.  </p>
<p>However, there is one part of your analysis I would like to address- when you state, &#8220;Bits are easy to copy while preserving their full organization, atoms are not&#8230;&#8221; and, &#8220;&#8230; that offline speech disappears after it is uttered; that, offline, we can usually see who is looking at us; offline walls, doors, locks and windows operate in a predictable manner,&#8221; I&#8217;m not sure that tells the full story.</p>
<p>As regards the first statement, I would add that while Bits are increasingly easy to copy, this ease of copying should not be confused or equated with &#8216;preserving their full organization&#8217;.  Federico Giordano, and others engaged in digital preservation of old or antiquated digital technologies, worried in his essay, &#8216;Almost the Same Game&#8217;, that there is a real danger of losing the integrity of a digital artifact, the experience its use once contained, once we move its bits of data to another platform for which it was not originally designed.  If I load up an emulation of the NES classic &#8216;Super Mario Brothers&#8217; on my MacBook, am I experiencing the &#8216;full organization&#8217; supposedly preserved with digital copying?  Many would say no, and this example demonstrates that there is much volatility even in digital constructs.</p>
<p>On the second statement about how the offline is governed by the laws of physics, making offline speech &#8216;disappears after it is uttered&#8217;- I&#8217;m not sure this is accurate either.  Take the Great Fear of 1789 in France, for example.  That period&#8217;s well documented panics and fear-mongering was directly tied to rumors circulating among French villages.  Rumors, once uttered, take on a life of their own, and much to the chagrin of ruling authorities these &#8216;willful interpretations&#8217; (as Russian Imperial authorities took to calling Peasant use of rumor) do not fade away easily.  (They may also lay dormant, like a virus or seed, waiting for the perfect moment to rise up and grow again)  Because of this, one can never be sure how others are perceiving them.  Perhaps inanimate objects can be relied upon to operate in a predictable manner, but the social discourse of analog speech is far from predictable in its operation.  (This is something I try to address in my post looking at the debate surrounding the use of the term &#8216;cyberspace&#8217; <a href="http://www.peasantmuse.com/2012/02/between-reality-cyberspace.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.peasantmuse.com/2012/02/between-reality-cyberspace.html</a>)</p>
<p>Again, great post!</p>
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